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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Vincent Conitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent Conitzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 01:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the Professor of Knowledge who will soon be integrated by Penn that a richer message space is desirable; natural language reviews would still seem to be the most natural.  The question is how to use this extra information in determining rewards.  One option is simply not to do so -- just let reviewers report additional information that has no effect on the mechanism&#039;s outcome.   Can&#039;t hurt -- but a more effective approach may be to reward reviewers for sharing information that moves other reviewers&#039; scores (in the right direction).  I&#039;ve speculated a little bit about how one might do something like this in Section 5 of this paper: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~conitzer/predictionUAI09.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the Professor of Knowledge who will soon be integrated by Penn that a richer message space is desirable; natural language reviews would still seem to be the most natural.  The question is how to use this extra information in determining rewards.  One option is simply not to do so &#8212; just let reviewers report additional information that has no effect on the mechanism&#8217;s outcome.   Can&#8217;t hurt &#8212; but a more effective approach may be to reward reviewers for sharing information that moves other reviewers&#8217; scores (in the right direction).  I&#8217;ve speculated a little bit about how one might do something like this in Section 5 of this paper: <a href="http://www.cs.duke.edu/~conitzer/predictionUAI09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.duke.edu/~conitzer/predictionUAI09.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by rvohra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rvohra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Ariel

Yes, Penn Integrates Knowledge appears ungainly. The acronym, PIK, rolls off the tongue easily enough but brings to mind the image of a dental instrument.

To more serious matters. On proposal review, an important thing to keep in mind is the message space. One is not constrained to use a small message space like a summary score or single ranking. I believe that some of the concerns raised about the Merrifield and Saari proposal can be addressed through the choice of the message space.

rakesh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ariel</p>
<p>Yes, Penn Integrates Knowledge appears ungainly. The acronym, PIK, rolls off the tongue easily enough but brings to mind the image of a dental instrument.</p>
<p>To more serious matters. On proposal review, an important thing to keep in mind is the message space. One is not constrained to use a small message space like a summary score or single ranking. I believe that some of the concerns raised about the Merrifield and Saari proposal can be addressed through the choice of the message space.</p>
<p>rakesh</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Ariel Procaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel Procaccia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your input Michael. The comment phase is a very good idea. As far as I know NSF is not planning to implement it though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input Michael. The comment phase is a very good idea. As far as I know NSF is not planning to implement it though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Michael Merrifield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Merrifield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of quick comments:

One possibility I have thought about would be to introduce a comment phase before voting, in which each referee can circulate anonymized comments to the group looking at a particular proposal.  This would give the opportunity to make sure that others have the same important information that you do, such as &quot;I happen to know that X did this in 1977 -- here&#039;s the reference&quot; to avoid some of the issues raised above.  This would make the process rather more like a conventional review panel, but without the airfares, and with the workload distributed more equitably.

On the reward for predicting strong citations, aside from the time-lag issue, my experience has been that some of the best proposals are those for which I cannot predict the likely citations: if it pays off, it will be thousands, if it turns out to be a dead end, very few.  Referees will therefore tend to err on the side of caution with such applications and opt for &quot;money in the bank&quot; applications that are bound to return a healthy crop of citations, thus elminating the very proposals we should be funding because the answer is truly unknown in an interesting way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of quick comments:</p>
<p>One possibility I have thought about would be to introduce a comment phase before voting, in which each referee can circulate anonymized comments to the group looking at a particular proposal.  This would give the opportunity to make sure that others have the same important information that you do, such as &#8220;I happen to know that X did this in 1977 &#8212; here&#8217;s the reference&#8221; to avoid some of the issues raised above.  This would make the process rather more like a conventional review panel, but without the airfares, and with the workload distributed more equitably.</p>
<p>On the reward for predicting strong citations, aside from the time-lag issue, my experience has been that some of the best proposals are those for which I cannot predict the likely citations: if it pays off, it will be thousands, if it turns out to be a dead end, very few.  Referees will therefore tend to err on the side of caution with such applications and opt for &#8220;money in the bank&#8221; applications that are bound to return a healthy crop of citations, thus elminating the very proposals we should be funding because the answer is truly unknown in an interesting way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Ariel Procaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel Procaccia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, but see the update at the end of the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, but see the update at the end of the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t reviewrs&#039; &quot;prize&quot; be, not a function of agreement with other reviewrs, but on the number of cittions? 
If the intention is to award good reviewing, then the quality of the research reviewed should be the measure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t reviewrs&#8217; &#8220;prize&#8221; be, not a function of agreement with other reviewrs, but on the number of cittions?<br />
If the intention is to award good reviewing, then the quality of the research reviewed should be the measure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Ariel Procaccia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ariel Procaccia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, this connection occurred to me, but the peer prediction methods that I had in mind (like the Bayesian truth serum and, I think, your own work as well) rely on a notion of score that one wants to maximize. It seems very difficult to translate this score into a reward that works in the &quot;agents and alternatives coincide&quot; setting, where we can only reward agents by changing their positions in the global ranking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this connection occurred to me, but the peer prediction methods that I had in mind (like the Bayesian truth serum and, I think, your own work as well) rely on a notion of score that one wants to maximize. It seems very difficult to translate this score into a reward that works in the &#8220;agents and alternatives coincide&#8221; setting, where we can only reward agents by changing their positions in the global ranking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Jens Witkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens Witkowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another line of research related to this NSF mechanism are peer prediction mechanisms (also referred to as information elicitation without verification) that explicitly handle those settings where a reviewer is aware that her opinion is a minority opinion. That is, in contrast to the NSF mechanism, peer prediction mechanisms do not simply reward agreement. For example, in a simple binary setting with only accept/reject as possible scores, all that is required is that opinions are positively correlated, so that if reviewer 1 believes that the paper should be accepted, then her belief that reviewer 2 reports acceptance is higher than if reviewer 1 believed that the paper should be rejected. (For non-binary settings, there are similar assumptions.)

A subclass of peer prediction mechanisms actually gives reviewers an explicit way to report that they believe to be in the minority. In these Bayesian Truth Serum mechanisms, reviewers make two reports: 1. the actual score of the paper (e.g. accept or reject) and 2. a prediction of the scores given by other reviewers about the same paper. In the binary setting with &quot;accept&quot; and &quot;reject&quot;, for example, this prediction report would be the answer to the question &quot;What is your belief that another randomly-chosen reviewer of the same paper voted for acceptance?&quot;

Peer prediction also handles the randomness problem Ariel mentioned by using scores instead of rankings, so if a reviewer receives a bad batch of papers it simply reports lower scores on all of them. I think it would be very interesting to extend current peer prediction mechanisms to the NSF setting where the set of reviewers and papers coincide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another line of research related to this NSF mechanism are peer prediction mechanisms (also referred to as information elicitation without verification) that explicitly handle those settings where a reviewer is aware that her opinion is a minority opinion. That is, in contrast to the NSF mechanism, peer prediction mechanisms do not simply reward agreement. For example, in a simple binary setting with only accept/reject as possible scores, all that is required is that opinions are positively correlated, so that if reviewer 1 believes that the paper should be accepted, then her belief that reviewer 2 reports acceptance is higher than if reviewer 1 believed that the paper should be rejected. (For non-binary settings, there are similar assumptions.)</p>
<p>A subclass of peer prediction mechanisms actually gives reviewers an explicit way to report that they believe to be in the minority. In these Bayesian Truth Serum mechanisms, reviewers make two reports: 1. the actual score of the paper (e.g. accept or reject) and 2. a prediction of the scores given by other reviewers about the same paper. In the binary setting with &#8220;accept&#8221; and &#8220;reject&#8221;, for example, this prediction report would be the answer to the question &#8220;What is your belief that another randomly-chosen reviewer of the same paper voted for acceptance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Peer prediction also handles the randomness problem Ariel mentioned by using scores instead of rankings, so if a reviewer receives a bad batch of papers it simply reports lower scores on all of them. I think it would be very interesting to extend current peer prediction mechanisms to the NSF setting where the set of reviewers and papers coincide.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Mark C. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark C. Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago I saw a paper submitted to some conference (it wasn&#039;t accepted, I think) that wanted to incentive consensus by first using the deGroot model to simulate a discussion phase and find a consensus, and then score reviewers based on how close their scores were to the consensus.

I can&#039;t remember any more details. However it seems this is a never-ending topic of discussion. Maybe we should have a &quot;petit challenge&quot; for the algorithmic economics community to work on this problem. It is not as frivolous as it sounds.

In case this is of interest: the (pitifully small) amounts of funding doled out in NZ by the sort-of-equivalent of NSF are done this way: reject 80% based on a CV and 1-page abstract, then reject 50% of the remaining applications after asking them to put in a full application. As far as I can tell, the decision at the first step is done by Borda scoring plus some discussion in secret. The amazing thing is, I can&#039;t seem to convince those in charge to release the total score to the applicant. Knowing how far away you are from the cutoff should be useful information, not contravene any privacy rules, and not pose an undue reporting burden. This only adds to my suspicion that the secret discussion part is not as above board as we would like. Personally, I would be happy to see more randomization used - as far as I can tell, only a few applications are clear accept or reject at the first stage, and a lot of energy is used trying to make fine distinctions based on very little information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I saw a paper submitted to some conference (it wasn&#8217;t accepted, I think) that wanted to incentive consensus by first using the deGroot model to simulate a discussion phase and find a consensus, and then score reviewers based on how close their scores were to the consensus.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember any more details. However it seems this is a never-ending topic of discussion. Maybe we should have a &#8220;petit challenge&#8221; for the algorithmic economics community to work on this problem. It is not as frivolous as it sounds.</p>
<p>In case this is of interest: the (pitifully small) amounts of funding doled out in NZ by the sort-of-equivalent of NSF are done this way: reject 80% based on a CV and 1-page abstract, then reject 50% of the remaining applications after asking them to put in a full application. As far as I can tell, the decision at the first step is done by Borda scoring plus some discussion in secret. The amazing thing is, I can&#8217;t seem to convince those in charge to release the total score to the applicant. Knowing how far away you are from the cutoff should be useful information, not contravene any privacy rules, and not pose an undue reporting burden. This only adds to my suspicion that the secret discussion part is not as above board as we would like. Personally, I would be happy to see more randomization used &#8211; as far as I can tell, only a few applications are clear accept or reject at the first stage, and a lot of energy is used trying to make fine distinctions based on very little information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NSF (actually) reviewing via social choice by Vincent Conitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent Conitzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Junior* is not what I am concerned about...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Junior* is not what I am concerned about&#8230;</p>
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